Beyond the Talking Points


Lizotte – Italian pastry or power hungry WISPIRGer

At tonight’s SSFC meeting, MPOWER candidate and Letters and Science Representative (of failed Vice Chair election fame) Jolie Lizotte is now trying to clutch power of the funding arm of ASM, running against experienced and highly qualified SSFC Secretary and  second term CALS Representative Matt Manes.

Lizotte received endorsements from her organization (WISPIRG…excuse me, leadership of WISPIRG who went through careful pains to state the name WISPIRG at least 3 times but also said that WISPIRG does not do endorsements), former campus leftist radical icon Kyle Szarzynski of Student Tenant Union notoriety.

Also, “campus character” Tina Trevio-Murphy, of the year-long CWC fiasco came and spoke against Manes (likely in part because he voted against her org).

Matthew Manes received glowing endorsements from the 3 previous SSFC Chairs (including the recently-elected ASM Chair Brandon Williams, and GSSF group leader Patrick McEwen.

There have thus far been a number of good questions concerning the role of the SSFC Chair, and Manes has shined thus far.

I call Lizotte 4, Manes the 9…drumroll please!

Matt Manes elected SSFC Chair!  10-2-1!

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BATTLE ROYAL #2
ROMENESKO v. PLAMANN

Plamann – “we don’t have to operate as robots”  Love it!  Timing was perfect Cale!

Voting Time!  I call 10-2 romenesko

Michael Romenesko elected SSFC Vice Chair!  10-1-1!

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Smathers v. Alvarez for Secretary (interesting)

- As much as I like both candidates, it is tough to find anyone better than Smathers to record what goes on at meetings and provide the information to the public.  I have no idea how this will go.

Roll Call for Secretary.  Then I’m out for dinner.

6-4-2 victory for Smathers (following in the footsteps of some great SSFC Secretaries – Manes, Junger, Fergus, Gosselin)

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I think I can put this out there now:

PERFECT SWEEP (I feel like the ’72 Dolphins!)  ASM is gonna have a good year.

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Student Tenant Union is also known as Szarzynski’s private stash of um, campus cash. No services? No problem. Just collect the paycheck and pray no one asks questions!

Comment by STU

Tina & Max

Good work on all that shit talking.

Comment by sweep.

Am I the monkey or the robot? I think I’m probably the monkey for facial hair reasons.

Comment by Cale Plamann

That was my thinking too. Especially after you made the robot comment. If I recall from the video (I haven’t watched the full thing in years), the monkey wins right?

Comment by Beyond the Talking Points

Kurt, I’m wondering if you would care to opine on the rejection of Jake Burow’s application for the SSFC via the Nominations Board on Wednesday, as well as the relevance of this for the leadership elections which happened earlier today (or yesterday, I guess). I’m just having trouble figuring out how Jake could find himself without a seat on the committee in consideration of the following facts:

- Jake had 1 1/2 years of experience on the SSFC, tied with Romenesko as the longest serving sitting member on the committee. Manes has only been on for a year.

- Jake barely missed out on winning a seat through elections, finishing well above Cale and Manes. Historically, haven’t the election results played an important role in determining appointments?

- Jake’s overall knowledge of the SSFC was certainly better than any of the other appointed candidates, none of which had any experience on the committee. (And please don’t tell me experience is irrelevant after what your side argued during the Chair debate tonight.)

- Jake was appointed through Noms last year with only a semester’s worth of experience and presumably less knowledge of the SSFC’s work.

To most objective outsiders (of which I am, admittedly, not one) the Noms Board decision regarding Jake was – to employ a term used by one former SSFC Chair during Open Forum – “preposterous.” Even if Jake had the worst possible interview, I cannot possibly see how Noms justified its decision.

So, then one must consider other factors. Like the composition of Noms. Who is on this committee? You and I, of course, both know that the members present during Jake’s decision were mostly people who don’t like MPOWER, don’t like progressivism, don’t like Jake’s approach to committee issues. We also know that these same members mostly count themselves as friends and political allies of the winning candidate for Chair. The readers of this blog are undoubtedly aware of these same facts.

What’s more, Jake was planning to run for Chair! Whatever else you may think of him, Jake comes across as an agreeable and sympathetic guy. People like him. On the other hand, by Manes’ own admission, his biggest personal weakness is his (perceived) difficult personality. Considering this, along with the principal argument made for Manes over Lizotte (experience), who do you think would have won in a contest between Manes and Burow?

There are other things to consider, too – like one unallied SSFC rep telling me that he personally witnessed Manes telling voting Noms members to bring up this and that about Burow during the debate to ensure his rejection. And other such things. The point is, anyone with the right information and half a brain knows what really happened.

So, yes, victories and even “sweeps” are possible when people are substantially motivated by self-promotion and willing to utilize the tactics such as the ones described above. This is especially true when the other side uses no such tactics and is purely motivated by a laudable political agenda.

I was not involved with MPOWER and, even in disagreement, I nonetheless have a great deal of respect for your knowledge of and commitment to ASM issues – the same goes for Manes and the rest. But when shit ain’t fair, it needs to be identified and called out as such.

Comment by Kyle Szarzynski

Burrow for chair? The kid hasn’t contributed anything to the committee.

Comment by Callitlikeitis

Well

Comment by Are you ever going to graduate?

The idea of a “sweep” makes you seem just as “partisan” as those you criticized in multiple posts about slates. That coupled with the comments at 8:13PM here http://bit.ly/aYMoAM demonstrate to me that the “establishment” (all those on ASM you regularly associate with) voted as a block and acted just as much like a slate as MPOWER.

I’m all for the best candidates making being chosen, but the way questions, debate, and voting played out in all of these elections – it seems the only people who didn’t cross expected voting lines were the “establishment”.

Comment by TJ Madsen

…. Mr. Rove :0

Comment by TJ Madsen

I include you in that sweep count. Basically for me, the sweep included victory for every candidate I supported and defeat for every candidate I opposed. I didn’t know you were running for Secretary until day of, but I agreed that you would be good in the position, so I include you in my sweep count.

Also, I am pretty sure I left no doubt in who I opposed in these elections. Perhaps a better phrasing would be, all my ponies made me monies!

As for the voting breakdown, it does appear that MPOWER voted MPOWER and non-MPOWER voted non-MPOWER in most cases (20-12, 15-11) The deviation from this series of voting records came in for the Leg Affairs debate, when MPOWER folks realized that Tina would be a horrendous leg affairs chair, especially compared to Sam.

O, btw, saw you comment on Max’s blog about me on 3 computers, lol. I appreciate the shout out to me being creative and ambitious, but I didn’t even wake up until 11:00 that day and was studying for a test until 1:30. Other people are perpetuating the Rove connection.

I like to see myself more as a campus Newt Gingrich (I think I’ve laid out my pretty clear Contract with UW for a while now)

Comment by Beyond the Talking Points

If mpower would have voted party line when I ran for rules, Brandon would have had to cast his first tiebreaking vote.

Hate on the mpower message/personalities if you want, there’s plenty of room for that, but please don’t try to tell us that there was only one slate with a straight face.

Comment by Cale Plamann

Just because there may have been an MPOWER defector on the Rules Cmte vote, doesn’t mean there is a second slate. Perhaps, it was the very nature of there being a slate which turned off the independent voters and caused them to vote for non-slate candidates

Comment by Beyond the Talking Points

Again, I don’t have a problem with these people, but I would be very surprised if you could tell me a single mpower affiliated candidate (with the exception of Carl) that Ziebell, Johnson, Beemsterboer, Manes, Junger, Nichols, or Hanley voted for.

I know that I have not personally voted party line, but I would be very surprised if that sentiment were reciprocated.

Comment by Cale Plamann

Your premise is inherently flawed. It assumes all MPower and non-MPower candidates are equally qualified. They’re not. There is a reason MPower is so young. Additionally, MPower didn’t get much independent campus editorial love. Why? Because your policies were also criticized. Other reps on the Council can make those independent judgments. It’s also important to note that MPower’s slating put them into this position. They criticized many non-slate members and formed an exclusive group run by Tina and Max Love. You cannot deny that many people were angry at the slate leadership, so it was not an “inclusive” organization open to anyone with a voice. You had to play by the slate rules. So the slate turned away good talent and brought this on themselves. It’s self-serving for MPower to blame anyone but themselves. They simply lost. Democracy hurts. There are logical reasons why MPower did poorly in internal elections.

A final reason: MPower wasn’t organized enough to support itself. You were the recipient of that during the SSFC elections. All your buddies ignored you.

Comment by But Cale

Kyle-

All four MPOWER members involved in the noms process agreed with the decisions made. Although some on the campus may have wished that the results had been different, the Noms Board took into consideration both experience as well as the overall range of perspectives of the candidates (i.e. GSSF experience, SUFAC leadership at other institutions, press coverage, unconnected student with knowledge and interest, etc).

There was a pool of EXTREMELY qualified applicants, and the overall make-up of the committee in the end was also a factor. I don’t wish to speak for everyone involved, but the overall feeling in the room at the end of the process was one of agreement and fairness for all parties.

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